Yeah. They probably thought about it, and realized that 'Warp to Zero' and 'Jump' activated on enough gates in sequence gets your newbies there just as effectively.

Maybe apply the same changes to podjumping that capital jumps have -- only available targets are inside a 5LY jump range, and you incur jump fatigue. Maybe perhaps also allow an emergency podjump to your "home" system (the one you get assigned to if you get locked out of your existing medical clone location) once every 20h or something. This would let people exit warzones and aid people in getting to your alliance's space for the first time without allowing instantaneous travel throughout the galaxy.

It's going to have a significant impact, to be sure, and that's something we need to keep an eye on. At the same time, though, people built T2 ships and modules before jump freighters existed, so we're somewhat skeptical of the argument that that T2 construction is impossible without JFs.

CCP, ignore the whiners, stay the course!

Sincerely: the silent majority.

Yup, true, although if memory serves the optimal setup was mammoth+hoarder. I've also seen it done with mundane freighter convoys in the past. It'll be harder, for sure, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and say that this change makes getting moon mins to empire *impossible*.

No. You'll be paying the Sov costs for the West forever. PASTA, MoA, BL, Tri and Mortuus will control these regions. They will own the R64s, they will drive out the CFC ratters and if they are really mean, they might install renters in your sov.

With the power projection nerf, you can't just jump around with 50 dreads to RF everything. If you want to RF a MoA tower, you have to come down from your capital in bombless bombers taking gates (taking JB or Blops bridge gives fatigue), shoot the tower, go home via gates. When the timer comes up, you have to come down again in combat ships and you might find the locals deploying a few triage carriers and tracking dreads that you can't counter with 200 supers unless you've been planning the dunk for weeks.

I can't tell how much I love these changes. The CFC is going down!

You're making a mistake here. You end up strangling the independents (people who live in npc null) in favor of the establishment (SOV folks like me). You should be doing the opposite really.

Of course, all the Grr Goon capitals will be exempt from jump fatigue and jump restrictions ... and will have FULL pre patch range. Seriously you are a bitter and twisted little troll, please show me on the doll where the bad goon touched you.

That's true. They probably know that, so they won't deploy any caps in the 5LY distance of YA0-XJ. Everything else isn't "near us" anymore.

While I sympathize, it's worth noting that Rorquals will now be able to go into hisec... and a fully cargo-expanded Rorqual has a hold (plus fleet hangar) of about half a JF's cargohold while using half the fuel. It also, importantly, has a high slot to fit a cloak in. It'll suck to retrain for Rorquals, but you'll have a cloakable JF now if you do.

What is pipe bombing ?

Yep it's impossible to smartbomb/bomb interceptors.

Protect their renters against what ? Sov Flipping ? This does nothing for the long timers which allows them to deploy regardless. Killing their renters ? They don't protect them against that anyway. So not sure what you're getting at.

Thanks for eluding my point completely, there is no smartbombing going on in lowsec either because no bubbles, obviously.

Are the tears blurring your vision? Maybe you should get some rest this might be the first case of crying fatigue.

*unzip tear bottle* One refill please friend.

Not sure if you'r actually beliving what Mittens have been telling you guys, or if you, unlike the rest of the guys in your alliance just has way less understanding of how things work, but it seems a lot of eve is willing to prove you wrong.

Ok fine....if they are willing to pay you just for the right to farm, with no involved force projection or protection, then you can carry on. But I think part of the expectation of renters is that the sov holder takes action to make the rented area safe, including hotdropping when necessary. The goons definitely made defense fleets to hunt down MOA. These changes make it a lot more painful to move around, and will at the very least force the renters to more actively protect themselves, putting downward pressure on the rental fees, and somewhat financially harming the large nullblocks.

Why are some of your members whinging and rage quitting on this thread then if it doesn't affect you. I agree, goonswarm will still be able to easily protect its empire with subcapitals, but your line soldiers all seem to be throwing toys out the pram and quitting, in which case you wont have pilots to fly said sub capitals.

wrong...cause we will know what systems are in range of thier "local" forces...and stay just out of range of those... already planning what systems are 5ly+ away to start the attacks, if it holds it gives us a 11min window to kill things approx

we already watch their Titans and how many are ready to bridge....only this time we know either they will be out of range...or know it will take a fixed time to reach the engagement.... of which we can plan around...

its PURE GOLD

CFC / Goon opinions are actually quite split, with some screaming bloody murder and threatening to unsub, while others claiming that it only reinforces their dominance.

Says the goons who have been instructed to "quote"

Just wait, it will.

In spite of your bluster, you will not be able to have 1000 man mega fleets on both sides of your territory unless you dramatically decrease your territory.

Sure, and although I do not doubt that you think you have this covered, I can already see multiple avenues to forcing a commitment of forces that will lock your pilots into location.

Enjoy spending hours every night in tidi as you zerg your nano fit BS fleets to blueball parties. See how long you can keep that up.

I like this. How about allow for easy moving of subcaps, perhaps by having JFs and normal (and maybe nerfed) carriers keep the range? Make carriers weaker in DPS and logi and let them carry more assembled subcaps and cargo.

The fleet members still have to fly out to deployment in convoys, creating more fights as well.

So why do you even bother complaining about these changes? If "CFC will adapt" and "small entities will not benefit", why there is that much outrage from CFC and N3/PL members about it?

My Gods someone in a large coalition that actually understands that these JF changes will kill the player/small corp logistics system.

Now that's novel thinking that should have been brought up in Iceland!

Does CCP think most of the people saying they like this change in this thread are serious? Or do they understand that majority of them are just trolling?

No, we like them because they're good mechanics.

Your delusions of persecution and grandeur are the product of your egos, not everyone else's 'grrr goons'.

The best (and only, imo) joy at your expense to be had here is the schadenfreude watching your alliance's shock and disappointment in thinking it's CMS reps had locked in the changes YOU wanted, (which would have been utterly terrible for the game without THIS change.)

Oh how could they do this without your approval? And without telling you about it before hand? It's a regular Greek tragedy I tell ya.

To everyone posting about the excessive length of time it will take to get from "A" to "B"....that's the point!

Back in the olden days we didn't have these fancy Jump Freighters and yet Moon Goo still made its way to Jita and supplies found their way back to our AO, magic? you ask, Neh say I, we flew ships through GATES laden with the spoils of our victories and returned with the riches of the new world...every week.

Planned new feature to address new player movement:

For players less than thirty days old, once per player corporation joined, and
For all players, once a year

You may push a button in your corp interface (while a member of a player corp and docked) that:
- Moves your medical clone to a station designated by your corporation, and
- Automatically moves you to your medical clone

This is 3 separate situations, right?

1) if you're <30 days old, unlimited moves
2) if you've joined a corp, you get one free move
3) once a year you get a free move

Most of us lived in 0.0 when these things did not exist. We are not cry babies, we will not stop playing because of such pitiful things.


Current 0.0 generation are spoiled kids.

Might sound odd, but we stayed for years with just regular industrial ships (that is, without even a normal freighter) and somehow people still went to null.

Sure let's look at those shiny freighters at day zero, shall we?

Yeah I started after outposts were added. I am not that old. But I have been in 0.0 with this and other char long sold since late 2006 and early 2005 respectively. And that is way before the "fast travel comodities". And we were talkign JF nto normal freighters.

And even on the nerfed state, the current scenario woudl still be far easier than back then.

We dont attempt to play by those words - we chose deliberately a more difficult and challenging way but keep a minimum level of pride - thus not renting but struggling to gain whatever we might be able to achieve. Thats why you fail to support 'us' - you cant as you dont understand at all how we tick. Believing isnt knowing ;)

I really think the solution to increasing density in 0.0 is by seeding "freeport NPC outposts" all over 0.0 space.

These stations would act as conflict drivers like the old 10/10 complexes...

These freeport stations would be non conquerable and have combat missions from level I-V....

There is also a chance that they would be seeded in systems that already have player owned outposts.

Changes lead to adoption as a reaction to them, that is the circle of EVE, without it EVE would be just another WOW grinding bosses for a better swords. Therefore we need changes, even as drastic as those proposed, it will lead us to more fun, more deeper and meaningful gameplay (ingame as oog).

I very welcome those changes! CCP is on the right path, you can see this alone on how fun it is to read 200 pages full of tears, with every post I read containing virtual tears I really enjoy EVE even more, so thanks CCP, and thank you blue donut for so many enjoyable internet spaceships interactions (for now outside the game).

Eh you just shut your mouth until you join an alliance that actually has challenges to meet in Eve.

And the cherry picking begins.

I must have struck a cord.

also it's "struck a chord"

cmon

My apologies, once again I over estimated the mental capacity of Goons.

Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons. I was not making reference to Technetium moons that have been defunked of value for over a year and are all but worthless now.

The coveted moons of Null that draw Power Bloc's to them. They will remain in the hands of IS Boxing, lag inducing power bloc's because the rest of us have no desire to sit on them like mother hen, clucking on the forums all day.

They spend their time griefing new players in high sec because they can easily get there in a couple minutes and if anyone so much as breaks wind in their territory - they hop on the cyno train right back to it to curb stomp them out of existence with sheer numbers and firepower from all corners of the galaxy.

The new content will come with this change.

Ok, here goes...

I remember my first foray into low-sec as a 2 week old pilot in a rifter. I didn't really have a clue what was going on, quite quickly I got ganked. 'Wow', I thought what the hell was that? A week or so later after learning a bit more about the game I ventured back and tried some mostly unsuccessful PvP, learning all the time. I ventured into the outskirts of null a month later after understanding the mechanics involved, died many, many times.

All of the above was fantastic fun. Now for your scenario....

1. Sign up to EVE.
2. read goon advert and join.
3. spend the rest of my EVE career jumping and pressing F1.

Question: Which one sounds more like an enjoyable gaming experience.....?

When applying for Goon membership, is there a question concerning your ability to use use proper punctuation, capitalization and grammar?

And if you answer, "Yes, I can type at more than a grade two level in English" you get denied?

Mr Epeen

Fixed.

siphons are garbage. And before letting dreads through gates, you are at the mercy of the cynojammers and supercap blob. Poast change however, I could literally fly a dread in by meself, siege up, and blap a tower into reinforced now.
Probably want some support with me, but it still stands that in november we WILL have the ability to interrupt moon mining.

No. It's an example of a CSM member trying to water down a much needed change so it has little to no effect on the current situation.

Take a step back and come to the sharp realization the the Dev team working on this refuses to listen or talk to the CSM.

Now think of why they refuse to?

The Nullsec CSMs have a nasty history with putting their interests before anything else.

Also, remember that if we have a "anti-CSM" CCP team on our hands in charge of changing the most boring and player caused-stagnented area of the game. What the CSM says here, will have little impact on the final outcome.

Remember kiddies... CCP is a business here to make money! If the player base is bored to ever lasting **** with how the end game has evolved....to the point of quitting and costing CCP money in the end. They will happily **** over the powers at be, let them cry and moan, and ignore their hand picked "Politicians" (Remember that nullsec entities "trade votes with one another to make sure they get the inside scoop.) who's sole purpose is to push an agenda..........then all the power to them!


KEEP IT UP CCP!!!

So if your group has multiple regions the only thing that slightly slows you down is taking the gate that connects you to the next region. Effectively creating rapid travel over lots of regions controlled. This is just plain bad and undermines the entire reason for the change CCP is doing. A perfect example of what I am talking about in regards to Mynnna.

They didn't plan on players catching on so quick, me thinks.

They are using a pretty simple formula, how you mess it up that bad is the issue for me.